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Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Topic Start: October 10, 2011, 03:25:49 AM »
Stop by our forum at http://onstands.com/content/incomics and be a part of the discussion.

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The discussion on Project Breakthrough, a new Super-Human Shared-Universe Anthology! Swing on by and see what it's all about!
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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #1: November 08, 2011, 02:06:29 AM »
Very cool stuff so far. Just wondering, can we bring in characters and plots?

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #2: November 08, 2011, 04:22:08 AM »
Sure. The primary goal is to create a new shared universe, like Marvel, DC, etc. but there will be passes available for people who only want to work with their own characters.

Keep in mind, though, that there's a set number of stories, a set number of pages, etc. so everything will be subjected to a "submissions" phase, for lack of a better term.

I don't like to call it "submissions" because it doesn't exactly fit what would be done - just a simple cultivating of interested parties, etc. - but I suppose it's the only term to use.

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #3: November 08, 2011, 10:31:08 PM »
Well, what I would be interested in doing is using some of my own characters AND creating characters for the shared universe.

The story I would like to submit is a tale of superheroes and villains from different planets, dimensions, and times fighting on opposite sides of the Revolutionary War. It would be a series of stories leading from that war all the way up to modern day. Some of the characters, and decendants would be completely open, others might be more restricted.

I have a rought draft for the first three 8 page sections, which I can clean up and send to you if it catches your fancy.

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #4: November 10, 2011, 06:05:50 AM »
Well, honestly the key to this entire thing is going to be simplicity. That sounds pretty complex. :D

There's only going to be 8 pages per story in the Breakthrough anthlogy, and before it was called "Breakthrough", it was the "Simplified Shared Universe" project. The idea was to lay the ground work for a comic universe without all the tie-ins, crossover events, etc.

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #5: November 11, 2011, 01:13:20 PM »
Yeah I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best (or really that good at all) at pitches, and I'll admit I've made it sound far more complicated than it actually is. Let me try a few 1 to 2 sentence pitches for it.

"Yankees vs. Red Coats, and Heroes vs. Villians. Get Revolutionary."

"A slightly steampunk historical fiction, in the vein of 1602 with a dash of Secret Wars for flavor."

Now if those (hopefully) improved pitches pique your interest at all let me know and I'll toss the script your way. You can then drop the hammer on it if it's not up to snuff.

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #6: November 12, 2011, 07:50:46 PM »
This can be done in eight pages? O_o

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #7: November 12, 2011, 09:04:00 PM »
Ah I must have gotten confused I thought we had 8 page segments not complete 8 page stories. Sorry.

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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #8: November 13, 2011, 09:56:24 AM »
A question -- to what degree should these stories be open-ended (or not)? I think you've mentioned before that you don't necessarily want an origin story from the get-go, so I get that. But I assume you also don't want me to kill the main character, right?

The logos and story rundowns you posted at DW (which are totally cool; you should post them here) sounded like the sort of thing that could expand beyond a single eight-page story. Are these eight pages required to have a defined intro/conflict/resolution, etc.?

Just trying to get a feel for what you're looking for so I have a head-start on the submissions process. :)
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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #9: November 13, 2011, 10:14:49 AM »
The logos and story rundowns you posted at DW (which are totally cool; you should post them here)
And I just noticed that you already have. ;D
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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #10: November 14, 2011, 03:56:39 AM »
A question -- to what degree should these stories be open-ended (or not)? I think you've mentioned before that you don't necessarily want an origin story from the get-go, so I get that. But I assume you also don't want me to kill the main character, right?

I'd like the 8-pagers to be self-contained stories that could take place within an ongoing comic.

For example, picture a single 32 page issue of "Batman" where the Joker takes hostages, Batman takes him out, and there's a happy ending.

That doesn't mean this was the first - or last - time the two clashed. It'd probably find a clever way to get new readers up to speed with something like: "The Joker? He's an unpredictable killer. This is going to be a long night." but other than that, we don't need to know their respective origins and ALL of their idiosyncracies.

That's what this would be, but take those 32 pages and squish them to 8.

It can be done, the stories would just have to be a bit "honed" in focus, etc.


For example, "The Quiz" is about a college age hero who retains all knowledge. The trick is that he has to KNOW it in the first place. He knows everything about executing Kung-Fu moves, but he still had to learn it. He could also read through a phone book and match phone numbers up with random names you shout at him.


We don't need to know the how and why right away in the "Breakthrough" anthology. Instead we'd perhaps focus on a man who is murdered by a mystery killer, and see that The Quiz is brought in. At first it's because he would know something important to the scene of the crime, but it ends up that he steps into the room and immediately starts to notice the things necessary to put together the killer's identity. There's no epic chase, no fight scene at the top of the bell tower, just a setup, some dialogue, some crime solving, and a "take him away, boys!" when the killer is revealed.


That's something that easily fits into eight pages.



The logos and story rundowns you posted at DW (which are totally cool; you should post them here) sounded like the sort of thing that could expand beyond a single eight-page story. Are these eight pages required to have a defined intro/conflict/resolution, etc.?

Yeah, once the "test" page replaces the current placeholder at incomics.com, there will be some nice stuff to look at and read. :D Heh.

But yeah, ideally these stories would set up future installments, but they should be contained in 8 pages in case that never happens. No cliffhangers where people feel cheated, etc. I wouldn't rule out killing the protagonist, but it'd have to make sense and avoid 'pure shock' status.

I really want to emulate a sort of "Stan Lee era" on this thing, and while I'd give loose guidelines and try to be somewhat hands-off, I'll still bring the "Why exactly do you want to kill off this character, and what will it do to positively or negatively affect the story?" stuff. Heh.
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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #11: November 14, 2011, 05:54:49 AM »
I understand! :D When I write anything that isn't horror, I tend to write epically (is that a word?) but I'm confident that I can cope. I especially like the "Stan Lee era" thing you mentioned.

So, I shall prepare by trying to remember how to write things that aren't horror, and then making it short. Once I've got that down, I will proceed to be awesome.

EDIT: Also, another annoying question (I'm good at those!): I haven't actually thought this through to any significant degree, and I don't have anything specific in mind at all but -- how would you feel about I (and/or other writers) using some of your "Heroes and Henchmen" characters at some point for this project?
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Re: Project Breakthrough Discussion Underway!
« Reply #12: November 14, 2011, 06:43:28 AM »
[...] how would you feel about I (and/or other writers) using some of your "Heroes and Henchmen" characters at some point for this project?

Well, they're free for anyone to use as long as it's non-profit... and that guideline only exists so more legal issues than necessary come into play. IE: "Detective Dark: The Movie" and suddenly the makers think they can sue anyone who waters down their 'property'.

So suffice to say since I'm the creator of the H&H roster, I wouldn't have a problem with them being used in a project I'm spear-heading.

The same "as long as it makes sense for the story" thing applies.



I have a pool of characters as big as, if not larger than H&H in the works, from which people would be able to scoop out someone who fits what they'd need. If they so chose, etc.